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What Is The Ultimate Camping Stove

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The Ultimate Camp Stove

Have you ever wondered what the ultimate camp stove would  be? The ultimate camp stove is the campground fire pit, I’m sure you will agree. But there are issues using the fire pit for your cooking needs. First, you can not control the flame like you are used to with a home stove, and secondly you get burned pots and pan bottoms from the flame. Every weekend, I see cooking pots and pans in the trash because they were used on a campfire and the camper did not want to clean the soot off the bottom of their cookware.

Emulate Your Home Stove

The stove in your kitchen at home burns fuel at a measurement of 7,000 to 12,000 BTUs. (BTU) stands for British Thermal Unit and is the measurement of the amount of energy which is needed to raise one pound of water by one-degree Fahrenheit. Most home stoves use natural gas, electricity, or propane in order to produce the energy needed to achieve this.

The camp stove you choose needs to emulate your home stove so you can cook efficiently while enjoying nature. There are many different styles of camp stoves and fuel types to operate them. Let’s examine the different types of fuel:

  • Kerosene- Kerosene is an incombustible hydrocarbon liquid made from petroleum, it is widely used in Asia. You will find it in blue containers, some states  require blue containers, in fact, gasoline is stored in red containers and diesel is stored in yellow.
  • Coleman or White Gas- White gas is naphtha or Coleman gas. It is highly flammable but is refined to be purer than standard gasoline, which produces a higher heat output from this type of fuel. A draw back to using white gas, is that it can be messy when camping because you need a funnel, and at night it can be tricky to pour it in a stove or a lantern without spilling it all over.
  • Charcoal- Charcoal is a black carbon product produced by removing water and other materials from it. You can effectively use it safely in a grill or in a firepit. Cooking over it can be effective, but you will not achieve 7,000 to 12,000 BTU consistently from charcoal. As the coals begin to become ash, the heating principles will diminish.
  • Butane- Butane often is sold in canisters, it is lightweight, can be used for special made lanterns, backpacking stoves, and some camping stoves.
  • Solar- Solar stoves are relatively easy for anyone to make as a source for cooking,  and the sun is readily available.
  • Sterno- Sterno is a jellied fuel made from denatured alcohol. It is made to be burned directly in it’s can. It can be used for warming food, certain types of stoves, and for emergency heating. As a fuel for camping though, I do not recommend it because it does not burn hot enough and you can not control the flame.
  • Propane- Propane is the best fuel for camping, it is a by-product of natural gas and in its compressed liquid form, it highly transportable. There is a wide choice of propane stoves in the marketplace, and you can control the flame. Having the right camp stove, like a Camp Chef brand stove, can come close to emulating your home stove. I had a Camp Chef stove, and I can tell you, they are bulky and heavy.

Propane is Easiest to Use

Propane stoves are the easiest to set up, they are the least messy because you do not have to pour fuel into them, and they give off heat that is like your home stove. There are many makes and manufacturers of propane ready camp stoves. I personally have used most brands, but my personal recommendation is the Camp Chef brand. This stove costs a little more than the Coleman brand, but it gives off a larger more adjustable flame. Could call it the ultimate camp stove.

How do You Plan to Use a Camping Stove?

Types of camp stoves vary according to your individual use. Do you backpack? Do you camp? Do you use it on your boat? Backpacking stoves are usually low cost, but not as useful for tent camping trips. Tent camping camp stoves are too bulky for backpacking trips. Looking into how you will use your stove will help you to decide which type of stove to buy. Budget can be a factor, however, if you are going to spend the money anyway, get the stove that will work for you, but don’t forget to factor in the altitude that you will be using the camp stove at, this too will determine the type of fuel to use.

 


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Tents-What are the Best Camping Tents?

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What are the best camping tents?

If you are like me, you do not have the storage capacity to own more than one tent. The best camping tents are the ones that fit your style of camping. Tents are not one tent fits all. You will need to examine what you will be using the tent for. Where do you camp? Where will you be storing the tent when not in use? Do you hike, summer camp, winter camp, do you have a small car? How many people will be sleeping in the tent? These are only a few of the questions to consider, you will need to add your own. In order to help you to decide on a tent, here are a few of the tents that are available online or at your local sporting goods store:

  • Pup tent- These tents have lost their popularity due to the dome tent. A Pup tent is perfect though for hiking because they are small and light weight. The drawback is the fact that you don’t get much room for your gear or to dress in.
  • Dome tents- Dome tents are the most popular tent style today. The latest dome tents set up in less than 5 minutes. You can find dome tents that sleep two to 10 people. The drawback would be according to which tent you get, smaller dome tents are not made to stand up in, the family style dome tents are tall enough to stand up in but set up takes longer.
  • Teepee- Teepees are designed for airflow, comfort, and warmth. Due to their design, they are cool in the summer, and in the winter, you can have a fire on the ground in the middle of the tent. The drawback is the ability to store and transport 22’ poles.
  • Suspended tents- This style of tent is suspended between three to four trees; you must have a ladder to climb up into the tent. The drawback is that if you are sharing the tent, your tent mate will cause the tent to sway if they change positions at night and you may not find trees to suspend the tent with.
  • A frame tents- these tents were popular in the civil war for soldiers, they were easy to transport on horses and you could stand up in them. Today they are made with materials that allow easy set up and tear down. The drawback is that they take room in a campsite to set up
  • Inflatable tents- Inflatable tents need an air pump to set up, they are interesting, in that, the floor of the tent is your air mattress. The drawback is the same as an air mattress, a pin hole can cause the tent to deflate while you are in the tent.
  • Truck bed or car top tents- truck bed and car top tents are very popular these days. The truck bed tent is easy to get into, the car top tent requires the camper to enter the tent by ladder. These tents allow the camper to not be on the ground. The drawback would be that once set up, they must be disassembled if you need to use the vehicle and you need to find a level site to park the vehicle before setting them up.

The tent that you purchase will be determined on how you will be using the tent, your budget, and how you will be storing the tent. Dome tents are the most versatile and most popular of tents today. They are easy to set up, store, and use. A search on the internet for types of tents will help you to make your decision. Remember, your summer tent may not be as useful if you winter camp. Backpack tents are lighter but may not hold up if you do a lot of summer campground camping.

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10 Camping Principles Every Camper Needs To Know

The beauty of the forest is why we camp

The Lure of Camping

The lure of camping has been a part of our DNA since the days of the mountain man, hunting, trapping, enjoying the great outdoors, the aroma of the forest, escaping the city, having a campfire, and just roughing it. Yet, unless campers were in scouting programs as a child, many of the campers that come to the forest, have no idea how to safely camp in the forest. I have often said that we as campground hosts, need to stop campers at the entrance to the campground and do a Camp 101 class before they can camp. Anyone can buy a tent online or at the local sporting goods store or on the internet, for a reasonable price, but do they understand that there is more to camping than setting up a tent? The following are just 10 common sense principles every camper needs to know before they go camping.

10 Camping Principles Every Camper Needs to Know

  • What amenities are available at the chosen campground? Checking the website for the campground you are going to, the website will tell you if there is water, power, sewer hook-ups or even showers. Then you can make your Checklist for what to bring.
  • Are fires allowed? A check of the website for the campground should inform the camper if fires are allowed or if there is a current fire ban. Can I bring my own firewood? Burn It Were You Buy It is a real thing, invasive species are ruining our local forests, check out the website BurnItWereYouBuyIt.com and learn about this today. Read Firewood and Invasive Species now!
  • If you are going to a campground that has no water available and plan to have a fire, bring extra water to put your fire out. It is also advisable to bring a shovel with you, if you have a small car, you can buy a foldable shovel at your local sporting goods store. Be responsible with fire. Read Different Firewood Types
  • If you are using water to wash your dishes, strain the food debris from the water over a large area. Do not dig holes for your water disposal, this can damage the campground ecosystem. A good suggestion for this water is to use it to put out your fire.
  • Do not go to bed at night with a fire burning in your site, do not go on a hike and leave you site with a fire burning, and please do not leave the campground at the end of your stay with a fire burning. It only takes a spark to get a forest fire started. Be responsible! Read Camphosts and Campfires Now!
  • Trees are a natural resource, you came to the forest to enjoy it’s beauty, respect the trees. Do not carve on them, do not tie ropes to them ( if you have a hammock, use wide web straps and select appropriate size trees to hang the hammock on), do not cut branches off them for your fire, do not mutilate the sapling trees, and do not put ash from the fire pits around the base of the trees.
  • Tents are great portable shelters; they range in price $25 to $1000, they can have multiple uses, purchase one that suits your camping style. Set up the tent at home before you go camping so you know how to set it up, make sure you have all the poles, tent fly, ground cloth, and stakes to secure the tent. When setting up the tent at the campground, select a place that is on high ground so if the weather changes you will not have a river running through your tent. Do not dig trenches around your tent, if you chose to go to a mountain campground, it is not okay to dig a flat area for your tent, these actions cause erosion. Think about the Principles of Leave it as You Found it. Read Tents-Which one is Right For Me
  • Parking, I could write a book about campers and their cars. Park your car in a safe manner. Do not allow your car to impede traffic, do not park a hot engine over pine needles or other combustible material, and do not park off the road in campgrounds.
  • Music is great pastime to enjoy in your den, your car, or on headphones. Music should not be played in a campground at volume that will disturb guests in the site next to yours. Be respectful to others!
  • Respect other campers sites, do not cut through their site for any reason and teach this to your children, do not play music that will disturb your neighbors, do not play games in your site or on the roads that will disturb others (throwing frisbees ,footballs, or softballs), do not talk loud, do not smoke any substance that will disturb them, and do not set up your site in a way that will encroach on their site.

What is Camp 101 Anyway

Camp 101 would be a course that would include all of the above listed principles, these principles that every camper  needs to know, are rooted in common sense. Principles like: thinking of others, being responsible with fire, trip planning, and respect the forest or campground. Following these principles will ensure that you and your fellow campers will have an enjoyable camping experience.

 

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7 Ways to Control and Use Campfires

This image depicts our campsite at Lost Dutchman RV park in Arizona.

Controlling and Using Campfires

Have you ever thought about the ways to use and control fire, there are at least seven ways to control and use fire. Think about it, from the first-time men and women discovered fire, we have attempted to find ways to control it, to use it, and to extinguish it. When a person goes camping, especially in fire prone area like the forest or grassland area, the camper needs to understand that it only takes a spark to get a fire going. When a camper has a fire, there are seven important things to remember.

1)The firepit is designed to keep the fire contained. A fire on the ground that is surrounded by rocks, is not contained.

2) A large fire wastes wood and does not produce additional heat as many campers seem to believe.

3 )It is the camper’s responsibility to burn cured or dry wood that does not create sparks.

4 )It is the camper’s responsibility to cut up firewood, so it does not hang out of the firepit. All campers should bring a campground axe or hatchet to the campground.

5) It is the camper’s responsibility to have water or a shovel to smother the fire (every spark must be out; you should be able to put your hand in the firepit to know that the fire is out).

6) It is the camper’s responsibility to put the fire out before they go to bed. (In the forest, wind comes up even in the middle of the night, your campfire could be the end of yours and your fellow camper’s lives. Dramatic? Yes. True? Yes.

7) It is irresponsible to leave your campsite to go on a hike, walk, bike ride, or worse to go home with a campfire burning in your site.

Negligence Can Lead to Consequences

Campers need to understand that there are consequences if their negligence results in a forest fire. If you caused the forest fire, you will be responsible for the cost of putting the fire out. A recent fire in the Los Padres National Forest cost close to $200 million dollars to put out; if someone dies as a result of the fire, you could be charged with in voluntary manslaughter.

Closing Thoughts on Campfires

Campfires are a nice thing to have when you go camping. Staring into the embers is intoxicating for some reason. Of course, other than warmth, cooking and smores, are great ways to use a fire while camping. Controlling a fire is using the right wood and not having anything hanging out of the firepit. Using the fire, is cooking over it, warming up, and making smores. Extinguishing a fire means every spark is put out. Exercising responsibility can save our forest for future generations.

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5 Things to Include on the Camping Checklist

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Reason for A Checklist

If you are like me, you have planned the perfect camping trip, driven 100 miles or more from home, chose a location that is miles from the nearest store, and realized that you forgot the lantern, matches, utensils, plates, the camp stove, the coffee pot (a must have), or the map to your chosen location. This is not a to-do list; it is a way to make sure you remember everything you need. Naturally, your camping checklist will change slightly according to the season you are camping in, in fact, you should consider making your seasonal lists ahead of time.

5 Things to Include on Your List?

  1. Camp Needs- Tent or shelter (check that all parts included; stakes, poles, etc.), ground cloth ( I always use a ground cloth under my tent to insulate and prevent sharp objects from piercing the floor of the tent), sleeping bag or bed roll, lantern, camp stove, fuel for lantern and camp stove (propane, white gas, or kerosene), flashlight (pack extra batteries), firewood (although you should practice Burn It Were You Buy It), matches
  2. Cooking- Camp Stove, fuel for stove (either propane, white gas, or kerosene), set of pots and pans, skillet, serving spoon, spatula, ladle, condiments like salt and pepper, coffee maker, other kitchen items according to your camping trip menu,
  3. Clean Up- Dish washing tubs, soap, scouring pad or dish rag, drying towel
  4. Toiletries- Brush or comb, deodorant, wash cloth, biodegradable hand soap, towel, shampoo, makeup
  5. Activities- Fishing trip? Rod, reel, creel, tackle box, net, stringer, bait; Mountain biking? Bikes, tire pump, safety gear and helmet for children, goggles, gloves; Beach? Towel, children’s toys, correct SPF sunscreen for your complexion, umbrella.

Seasonal Lists

Obviously, the items on your list are going to change according to the season and location that you are camping in. I did not put clothing on the what to include in your list because I do not what season you are camping in. Winter camping requires clothing items to prevent hypothermia, spring requires warm and cold weather clothing, summer may work with tee-shirts and short pants, and fall is like the spring.

A camping list will help you to remember all of the items that will make your camping trip memorable.

Your list will change according to where you are camping, but the basics will always be listable. Your list should include, camp site needs, cooking needs, clean up, personal toiletries, activities, and seasonal clothing items. Go out into the woods and make memories.                                                       

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What Comprises the RV Waste Water System?


The RV Waste Water Tanks

Are you aware of what comprises the RV waste water tanks? After being full time motor home residents for nine years, my wife and I have learned several important lessons about RV waste water tanks. Recreational Vehicle waste tanks are closed systems, meaning the grey water holds sink and shower waste and have traps to contain the odors. The black water tank holds toilet waste and the water in the toilet bowl keeps odors from wafting into the living areas. The dump valves on RV waste water tanks are to remain closed even when you are hooked up to a Full Hook Up (FHU) site. These tanks comprise the waste water system in an RV, a problem in these systems can result in waste build-ups which will cause foul odors and clogged pipes.

Grey Water Waste Tank

The grey water tank is connected to your sinks and shower, the water in this tank can create some heavy-duty sewage odors. My wife keeps an empty coffee can on the kitchen counter for bacon grease  and wipes the excess grease off with a paper towel, but as she washes the skillet, some of that grease ends up in the grey water tank. Our body oils, hand soap, dish soap, food waste, and shampoos also go into the tank, this combination of waste products can congeal into a cakey sediment in the grey water waste tank. If the tank valve is left open and there is no liquid in the tank, no amount of break solution, organic or store bought, can prevent sediment build up on the bottom of the tank or in the pipes that lead to the waste valve. Since I am speaking of my experience, I learned the hard way. My wife and I were working at a lake in Southern California, we were in a workamper site with Full Hook Ups (FHU). I left the valves open on my grey water tank as was recommended by a dealer we bought the motor home from. A summer day came with record heat, 105 degrees and the stench in the motor home was unbearable. I had to dismantle the waste valve and flush the tank with a garden hose that had a bladder attached to it. It took about fifteen blow out attempts to clean  out the tank. I learned to keep the valve closed and empty the grey waste tank when it gets to 2/3 full. Then to add a product like Camco TST Lemon Scent or Happy Camper in the RV’s sink to control odors.

Black Water Waste Tank

The black water waste tank is connected to your toilet, we all know the odors that can come from this tank. I had a camper come to me one day, he said that his black water was so stopped up that nothing would come out. I found out that he keeps the valve open on the black water tank, well the result was a ‘cone of shame’ that clogged the tank completely. I suggested that he use an RV toilet spray wand on the end of a garden hose through the toilet into the tank to break up some of the cone of shame, then use a product like the Camco RV Dual Flush RV Holding Tank Rinser with the garden hose attached to continue to rinse the tank. Keep the valve closed when on a FHU site, and empty the tank when it gets 3/4 full, then add two drop in odor packets with at least a gallon of water.

When We Are on the Road

We all know that a gallon of water weighs 8.34 pounds and a gallon of gas weighs about the same 8.4 gallons, you can Google it. When you are on a road trip, gas is a necessity, my tank is 50 gallons, so I am carrying 420 pounds when I fill up. If I am going RV Park to RV Park, I do not carry a full fresh water tank, I keep it less than 1/4 full (so we can use the bathroom), and keep as little liquid as possible in the waste tanks. Having said that, RV waste tanks are meant to have liquid in them, so I do keep 2 gallons of water with Drop-ins in the tanks, this allows the solution in the tanks to clean  our tanks for us.

Conclusion

The Grey and Black water waste tanks in an RV are meant to hold liquid, a dry tank can result in expensive tank sanitizing, it is best to keep the valves closed and empty them before they are full. Always remember to dump the black water first and then the grey water. That way the cleaner grey water will rinse your sewer hose. There are many products on the market that help to keep your RV tank smelling fresh and clean or you can Google the non-chemical methods of tank cleaning, like the GEO Method.

 

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5 Family Camping Trip Ideas

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Advanced Planning

If you are like me and have camped with children, especially teenagers, you have heard the complaint, “I’m bored, there’s nothing to do, etc.” So, I put together 5 family camping trip ideas. I can tell you, I found out that camping with children takes advanced planning. Guess what mom and dad, this is not the time to relax and ignore the children, you can do that in your living room at home. This a time to build lasting family memories.

5 Camping Trip Ideas

To avoid the “I’m bored” complaint, you are going to have to put your thinking caps on and come up with ideas that will work for the whole family, as a family. Yes, as a family, get the kids involved with the entire trip planning. The following are some of the trips that the Rye’s have used as a family.

  • Beach camping trips- Southern California, (where I raised my children), has some beautiful beach campgrounds, like Malibu, Carpinteria, Ventura, Santa Barbara, just name a few. These destinations are very popular and require advanced planning, you must be on the phone to Reserve California, six months before your planned weekend, but it can be worth it. One of my personal favorites with my children was, El Capitan in Santa Barbara County. This campground has water and showers. Carpinteria State Beach Campground has non-hookup and full hook up sites available. Another state that my family vacationed at was the Oregon coast, and I can tell you they have  some spectacular beach campgrounds, I particularly enjoyed one in the city of Depoe Bay.
  • Lakes- Camping at a lake where swimming is allowed can bring many hours of enjoyment for a family. Dad may even get to teach the children how to fish, just remember that fishing will not hold a child’s attention the way it does Dad, so keep that in mind.
  • RV Resorts- There are hundreds of RV resorts that you can camp at. These resorts have various amenities like swimming pools, hot tubs, volleyball, horseshoe pits, game rooms, playgrounds, stores, etc. Which resort you choose as family would be dependent on what kind of activities your family enjoys.
  • U.S. Forest and National Park Campgrounds- Most U.S. Forest campgrounds are in the mountains and have hiking, mountain biking, and dirt bike trails nearby. Some are located by rivers, lakes, or specific points of interest. Most National Parks, like the Grand Canyon in Arizona, Yosemite in California, or Yellowstone in Idaho or Montana, have campgrounds in the park or you can find a resort campground near the park.
  • BLM or Bureau of Land Management- This is government land that may allow people to camp on the land. Usually there will be no water or hook-ups, total dry camping, and you may need to get a permit or permission to camp on BLM land. Typically there is no cost to camp on BLM land. It is worth checking out.

The Camping Trip

A memorable family camping trip takes advanced planning, yes I know I said that before, but it a good point. The best family trips the Rye family took included the following:

Trip Planning- The children were involved in all aspects of the camping trip. Food menu, snacks, shopping for the trip, where we were going, activities that we would be doing, and helping Dad to pack the truck.

While camping- The children helped set up camp, cook meals, and clean up. As a family, we even made a game out of cleaning up the camp site at the end of the trip, which included receiving a prize for the person with the most trash in their bag. The prize can be easy actually, how about the left over Oreos, yeah!

Indoor Activities- Card games like Uno, Five Crowns, Rook, Canasta, Rummy 500, and add your favorite. Videos if we have hook-ups. Board games if you have room for them. Charades? Story telling.

Outdoor Activities- Fishing, hiking, biking, toss across, volleyball, badmitten, rope tying, fire craft, kid type crafts, horseshoes, smores around a roaring fire, etc., again add your own activities.

Conclusion

Camping is way for families to create lasting memories, to reconnect with one another, for learning how to care for one’s self away from home. My adult children still talk about various places we camped at, the activities we shared, and unfortunately the travel mishaps. Plan the trip as a family, where you are going to, food, cooking chores, clean up, packing, and activities. The choices of where you can camp are endless, beach, lake, RV Resorts, U.S. Forest or National Park, or backyard. Go out and make memories!

 

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Mountain Driving Guide for Truckers and RVers

This image depicts what a camper may run into

The “Mountain Driving Guide for Truckers and RVers” gives drivers of large vehicles warnings of upcoming grades. On an RV trip in our 38′ motor home, we encountered dramatic grades in California, Montana, Idaho, Utah, and Arizona. If I had this guide for that trip, I would have unhooked the tow car in advance of these grades in order to save the brakes, engine, and transmission. This book features:

  • Colored maps with elevations
  • Length by miles of the grade and possible alternative routes
  • How many lanes to expect

From the Southern California section of the Mountain Directory West:

CAJON PASS elev. 4190′
(on I-15 south of Victorville, CA)

There is very little descent on the north side of Cajon Pass.  The southbound descent begins with warning signs–“Downgrade next 12 miles–trucks check brakes” and “Truck speed limit 45 mph” and “Truck scales 5 miles” and “6% grade next 4 miles” and“Runaway truck ramp 2½ miles.”

The grade may be a bit more than 6% down to the escape ramp where it eases for a very short distance and then goes back to 6% until reaching the truck scales.  After the scales the grade eases to about 2-3% for 3 miles, then goes to about 5% for another 4½ miles.

This road has four lanes downhill and a great deal of traffic.  Use caution on this hill.

Use this guide for advanced trip planning

The “Mountain Driving Guide for Truckers and RVers” will be your resource for many years to come. It comes as a 240 page, downloadable digital format, that you can print as you need it. A Motor home with a hot engine can burn to the ground, a motor home with hot brakes can be stuck on the side of the road for hours at a time, and blown engine can seriously end an RV trip.

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Towing Your Fifth Wheel Like A Pro

Tow your Fifth Wheel Like a Pro

Before you make the decision to purchase your fifth wheel, whether from a dealer or a private party, you should check out this guide, “Towing Your Fifth Wheel Like A Professional”. The author walks the reader through several important considerations. Concerning fifth wheel ownership. The following are covered in the guide:

  • How to choose the correct truck to tow your vehicle, what weight requirements must be considered for either a three quarter ton truck or a one ton truck.
  • What fifth wheel trailer hitch is best for the trailer I am interested in. There are several different styles of hitches on the market.
  • How you adjust your mirrors and seats for safe towing.
  • How to establish reference points when towing your trailer
  • Tips on braking and driving situations
  • How to back your trailer up, backing up a fifth wheel is totally different from a pull trailer.

As I read this guide, “Towing Your Fifth Wheel Like A Professional”. several thoughts came to mind. As a camphost, I see several campers a month that come into the campground with improper hook ups. I am not sure that they sought the correct advice when they set up their rig. These campers need a guide like this. I see people backing up their rigs and actually damage their trailers, vehicles, or the campground. For the $14.95 cost of this guide, you could save yourself a lot of heartache down the road.

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How to Drive Your Motor Home Like A Pro

Drive Motor home Like A Pro

This is a unique guide, “How to Drive Your Motor home Like a Pro“, to help motor home owners by teaching them commercial driving techniques. There are basic rules that motor home drivers need to use that are not taught in automobile driving schools.

  • How to merge onto a freeway safely
  • Safe braking techniques
  • Making safe turns
  • Backing up your motor home
  • Safe tire inflation and how to determine what is safe for your rig
  • Engine checks

The writer of the guide, drove motor homes for the better part of thirty years, he felt the need to share what he has learned about driving large vehicles. I personally have owned and driven motor homes, fifth wheels and trailers for 35 years and I found the techniques described in this guide extremely useful. The goal of this guide is to help people be confident, safe, and knowledgeable when driving down the road.

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